Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Dalhousie Institute Open Quiz 2011 at The DI

One of the oldest quizzes in Kolkata the DI Open conducted by Mr. Neil O’Brien was held at Dalhousie Institute on 21st May. There were 77 teams for the preliminary rounds out of which 55 were from different schools. The prelims were of 30 questions. There were a few old chestnuts and few questions which left a lot of teams confused. What Indian monument was discovered in the 1930s by Colonel Morgan behind a bush? The time frame clarification was requested by a few teams and they were told that it maybe 1830s also. Answer given was Ajanta Caves. This left a lot of teams stumped as Ajanta was discovered in 1819 by a British Officer of the Madras Presidency named John Smith. Colonel Morgan and 1930s or 1830s confused a lot of people. Another question which was the first European country to ban the burqa? Answer given was Belgium. Again very confusing as the burqa was banned in Turkey in 1980 and in Belgium in 2010. The dangers of Google quizzing are evident as a google search of the question would give Belgium as the answer which is not correct. The quizmaster may argue that Turkey is in Asia as a matter of convenience. The highest score was 20 posted by Hammer and Tongs followed by Inmaniacs and Answering Service, Paglu and Juxtaposed. A whole lot of teams including DI, Octette and Last Action Heroes were in a tie-break with 17 points. Two questions which were questionable in the prelims were therefore not fair to a lot of teams which would have made the finals or at least to the tie-break.
The tie-breaker round had 3 questions. The first was, Which Cartoon character appeared on Playboy magazine cover and also as a centrefold? Answer given was Bart Simpson. Again a lot of people stumped as the answer is Marge Simpson. It was akin accepting Prince Charles as the answer for a question for which the correct answer is Queen Elizabeth II. The second question was: Who are the recipients of the Jack Nicklaus award? Answer given player of the year by PGA. Again very strange answer considering the fact that it is the award for the best collegiate golfer of United States and is given in three divisions by NCAA. A team answering golfer of the year was overlooked, strange as it was closer to the truth than the answer which the quizmaster had. After the painful process of the tie-breaker DI, Javed and Friends and a college team from Calcutta University eventually made it to the finals.
The finals were again very lopsided as the quiz did not use infinite bounce or flat scoring. Teams answering less number of questions could win this quiz. However this quiz was decided by the seating arrangement. Inmaniacs were the beneficiary of this in the first half of the quiz where they ran away with the quiz posting 60 points. If the quiz was of infinite bounce type then the result of the quiz would have been totally different. However that said Inmaniacs were very good and answered nearly all the questions they got in the first half of the quiz. In the second half Answering Service and DI had a close fight for the other podium spots with the former clinching it by answering the last question of the quiz.
The quiz was very disappointing with respect to questions, content and methodology. The problems with the questions which were there in the prelims and the tie breaker continued into the final. It would have been very nice if the questions were a bit authentic with respect to facts. For example why was the operation to kill Osama Bin Laden called Operation Geronimo? The question itself was incorrect as the operation was named Neptune Spear and Geronimo was the codename given to Bin Laden. The question should have read: Why was Osama Bin Laden given the codename of Geronimo? Another one was: Who coined the term ‘Nerd’? Answer accepted was Jonathan Swift when in fact it is Dr. Seuss.
Another huge problem was the quizmaster unwilling to give points for perfectly correct answers. For example Traf O Data a program written by Bill Gates in 1957 for traffic control was rejected by its users for what reason? Firstly Bill Gates was 2 years old in 1957 so he couldn’t have written any program it was in 1970 that he did. Answer given by a team was that he did not have a driving license as he was underage. Answer accepted he was a minor. Another one what is a Defibrillator used for? Answer by a team a device used to revive a human heart by using electrical impulse. Answer accepted machine used to revive human heart by electric shock.
Another shocker: What kind of a bad habit is Enulation? Answer Picking or Digging your nose. This has not been found in any dictionary encyclopaedia or at any website. The answer obtained for synonym of nose picking is rhinotillexomania. Another One : Which was the first Al Qaeda attack on Americans after the first World Trade Centre bombing attempt? Answer given: The attacks on the American embassies in Dar Es Salaam and Nairobi in 1998. Answer accepted The attack on the US embassy in Nairobi. The quizmaster was unaware of the fact that the operation was a coordinated attack in both cities simultaneously in fact Dar es Salaam was bombed 5 minutes earlier. The information is available here. A non wikipedia link is being provided so the quizmaster may not brand us as wikipedia crawlers. Here is a very interesting one: What are the ingredients of the drink Shanghai Mary? Answer: Vodka and Sweet and Sour Sauce. Sweet and sour sauce as an ingredient for a cocktail could not be found in any book or website. Vodka and Soya sauce are however used for two different cocktails: The Black Death and Manchurian candidate. There is no drink called Shanghai Mary. There is a Shanghai cocktail which is made of lemon juice, anisette, Jamaican light Rum and Grenadine. The only Shanghai Mary is a dish of dumplings at The Source Restaurant at the National Mall in Washington DC. We took the time out to mail the question to International Bartenders Association who sent us a mail proclaiming that there is no cocktail named Shanghai Mary. They also mentioned that Sweet and sour sauce is not used as a cocktail ingredient. However if there is any such example in fiction they would stand corrected.
We can go on dissecting this quiz and finding the various mistakes and problems. It seems that DI Open takes the old adage of ‘Quiz master is always right’ to the extreme. It is a sorry sight to see such quiz which was an institution in the city losing its integrity in this way in the eyes of the proper quizzers. Getting newspapers to write good things about the quiz solely based on past reputation is a sorry state of affairs. And it does not bode well for all the school children who are made to attend the quiz exposed to such Incorrect facts. Their foundations of quizzing are being damaged. Unless the quiz makes some major changes like infinite bounce,flat scoring ,properly researched and authenticated questions it will be even further demeaned than it is today.Its like using a bullock cart to go to Paris instead of an aeroplane. Sure it can be done for the sake of it but is it really the wise thing to do?
Results:
  1. Inmaniacs: Gautam Ghosh, Abhijit Banerjee, Malabika Banerjee and Anirudh Chari
  2. Answering Service: Sanjay Mukherjee, C.P. Singh, Soubhadra Chakraborty and P. Srikant.
  3. DI: Tathagata Chatterjee, Soumyadip Chaudhury, Barry Antonius and Leslie De Gama
The questions are not being posted separately for this quiz as enough questions have been discussed already.

44 comments:

Sreshth Shah said...

Very crucial points made by the reviewer.
Also, there weren't any good questions to post separately.

Really hope that the quiz turns out to be better than before, and does not remain such a sorry event like we had this year.

Anonymous said...

The review is a bombshell.great effort. Only i guess barry shresth episode ta maintain kora jeto.someone should invite barry to this group and send him the link to this review

Anonymous said...

Shocking, especially for a quiz coming from Neil O'Brien. Had it been any other quizmaster we would have been rolling in laughter but this is very sad. One almost feels that he was setup.

-Supratik

Sanjay Chakraborty said...

What I was looking for, apart from the excellent review, to be brought forward, is the burning question, that how come DI and Octette even sit for the tie-breaks, when they themselves admitted of scoring less than the cut off unofficially, whereas as someone rightly mentioned, some of the teams even were not allowed a review of their answer sheets!??? So where remains the INTEGRITY of the so called IFA Shield of Kolkata Quizzing!

Hey Ram said...

This needs to be reported in a proper periodical. The DI quiz is worthless for quite some time now. The old man of Calcutta quizzing screws up answers left and right and refuses to admit his utter ignorance. This years quiz was no better. Bad questions, faulty answers, nepotism when known faces and friends quiz, lousy music rounds, no infinite bounce - all combined and made the quiz bereft of any logic - the basic cornerstone of any quiz. I would prefer to sit at home and play bagatelle with toddlers rather than waste my time on DI quizzes.

Partha said...

@ hey ram -bagatelle with toddlers !!! do be careful they dont swallow anything.
no one can deny the contribution of neil to quizzing in kolkata -but i do not know whats happening nowadays - is he being set up with poor questions as supratik says - or is it just age catching up with him or is it that he has become to rigid to listen to criticism and accept changes?
D.I is a great brand so i will hate to see it stop but may be its time to pass on the baton -but plz not in the family

Aditya said...

This reads like a Tehelka expose! Good stuff but sad to see quizzing in Kolkata reduced to this!

Lost netizen said...

Am I in the right place?

Childe Harold said...

77 teams, but no Shouvik Guha. Quantity instead of quality!

Lost netizen said...

I believe Shouvik was banned, while the 77's participation was actively sought.

Childe Harold said...

Heard something similar. Weird!

Wiki-troll said...

The word was that it was said to Shouvik sit for DI or don't sit at all. What was the reason who knows?

Solomon said...

You must thoroughly research / double check when setting a quiz. You owe this much to the participants for attending your quiz. An answer isn't necessarily right because you 'think' it is right. You can't force down incorrect info down people's throats by bluster and bullying.

Weizmann said...

If, in spite of research, an error does crop up, one must be humble and admit and apologise, even if the result cannot be changed.

Solomon said...

Yes. And prelims answer sheets should be properly checked and by competent people. Also, any appeal for rechecking should be entertained in the interest of fairness.

Childe Harold said...

May I join in the discussion by suggesting that all questions, particularly in the prelims, must be properly numbered, and the numbering should be visible to all?

Solomon said...

Yes, we noticed the numbering problem in the prelims. They seemed kind of unprepared to hold the quiz, with shortfalls like these. They also seemed unprepared for the tie breakers. Reading out of your diary is a no-no. Doesn't give the impression of fairness.

Childe Harold said...

And the acoustics were awful. Very unfair to the participating teams. This is an old problem that doesn't seem to get sorted out. There are n number of solutions, but do they really care?

Lord Byron said...

Dear Childe, if they really cared they would have had infinite bounce, the way the rest of the world has. Also, without flat scoring you are not rewarding the team which answers the most questions.

Weizmann said...

Another thing to remember. Friends must not be favoured, or be seen to be favoured. Likewise, participants the quizmaster doesn't like must not be discriminated against. The quizmaster should not settle personal scores through the quiz.

Solomon said...

I am one with Weizmann on this. And above all, arrogance has no place. Arrogance to cover up ignorance is a tragicomic trait. The quizmaster and his henchmen should promote a pleasant and happy atmosphere. It is a game after all. And nobody is above the game, no matter who he/she may be. And nobody owns the game.

Satish said...

Completely agree with review

Hey Ram said...

Arrogance is what makes DI quizzes. I have seen Neil refusing correct answers many times - without an iota of apology when correct. I had, in once quiz, reproduced a document in defense of my answer. Needless to say it was ignored. And with due respect to the old man - he indeed was a great quizzer during his time, his sons constant blabber about their father's greatness stink. Having his own set of dedicated media in the form of grown up children who cannot differentiate between a dholak and a damru is akin to cheap politicking.

Dumbstruck said...

It is so surprising that when teams wish to confirm their scores, he first says, " Make sure you have a hundred rupees ready if you want to check the paper again. " In fact, I know of a few teams who wished to have their papers rechecked as well, but after what went down with Sreshth, no one really wanted to go up.
Disappointing stuff! Just read this review, and very well written Quizzers.
Has Barry O' Brien read this Review and the comments section? Or is he still shouting at someone his daughter's age.
I think I would also like to clarify to one and all that, the quiz Sreshth participated in, and was Accused of 'Cheating' and sitting, was the North Point Alumni Quiz, where La Martiniere consisted of Anirudh, Anil and Sreshth. A perfectly legal team considering Sreshth was in grade 11 then, I believe. In fact, at that quiz, the Quizmaster, Barry O' Brien allowed teams to be composed of Teachers, Parents, Brothers and other such relations of the student to sit as their school . And here, a student, actually sitting for his school, is shouted at in front of 80 odd teams. Shameful stuff. But, we all know what goes down with the O' Briens.
Lastly, although I would like to sign off with my name, I cannot do so, because I do not want to be blacklisted at the next DI Open Quiz like so many others who voice their opinions.

Wiki-troll said...

I think in the same North Point Quiz a DPS New Town team consisted of parents and their son. If they were allowed whats the fault of Sreshth??

Dumbstruck said...

Has Mr. O'Brien been given a copy of this review or the comments page?
Can someone arrange for it to be done, so that he can realise the mistakes in the quiz, and probably learn from these horrible mistakes which occured.
Also, will he apologise to Shreshth for his outburst? And to us, and accept the mistakes the content team for the quiz did? Because, quite frankly, this was the worst DI Quiz which we participated in, for a long long time.
It was always going done, sleadily, but this seemed like an airpocket.

Lord Byron said...

In an age where every quiz is presented on powerpoint, every question visibly numbered serially to ensure there is no foul play, the DI quiz still continues to shuffle question cards, even after some quizmasters in the past have been suspected of being experts at card tricks! The quiz should not only be fair, but appear to be fair. Also when the acoustics are so bad, a powerpoint presentation can alleviate the problem a long way. But does anyone care?

Ashish said...

I arrived late in the hope of catching the finals atleast (exams). I was ofcourse grossly disappointed with the way the whole thing was carried out and the quality of the questions have already been discussed. And now I come to find out that a certain participant was screamed at. Sad.

Lost netizen said...

And I can't figure out why the quizmaster was doubling up as DI team selector, issuing whips and fatwas on team composition - this story is now leaking out, guys! Seems like a real sordid plot! And we only thought it was an innocent Q & A game!

Weizmann said...

Dear Losty, you only need to watch the movie 'Quiz Show' to realise what scandals may lurk behind the facade of an innocent game show!

Childe Harold said...

That reminds me of the first scene from 'Slumdog Millionaire'! The unintended winner of the quiz being tortured off-stage by the quizmaster's henchmen!

Solomon said...

As a quizmaster you should be looking to hold up the correct information when appealed to by a participant. Quizzes are about correct info and disseminating correct info. They are not about upholding the QM's wrong info so that he looks good in public, at the cost of the truth. The individual, whosoever he/she may be, is not above the truth.

Long-suffering victim said...

I can write an entire book on the wrong answers / unresearched info concocted and forced down people's throats by this quizmaster over the years. He never did any research on his questions, just insisted people should accept what he said was gospel truth - no discussion, ever. An autocrat, if ever there was one. And the sons have picked up his arrogant style, even though they can't measure up to his excellence as a quizzer. It's all so comical!

Quizzers said...

The link to the site has been mailed to both Mr. Derek O'Brien and Mr. Barry O'Brien. But I am not sure it will have any results??

Deep said...

Cacuttans need to boycott DI. To hell with it.

Kool_kinks said...

People before we really get carried away with the hate and rhetoric with this post I would like to remind people that we should refrain from being bitter. As someone had mentioned in the comments that the reviewer was honest and not bitter. I guess we all agree that there was a lot in the quiz which was not right I request people not use bad language.

Anonymous said...

This seems to have become one of those traditions that are conducted for the sake of keeping a legacy alive.Like going to the zoo for instance as someone rightly mentioned after the quiz.The solution i believe ,if we really have to keep the standards alive is take initiatives ourselves.A nominal amount charged and a hall or venue booked on a regular basis and a quiz conducted can be an option.Why not? Most of us and even school kids wont mind paying a small amount.Plus patterns like the BCQC or Mumbai quiz club is a great way to ensure that everyone quizzes on a regular basis ,maybe holding a big quiz once in 2 months amongst ourselves where the teams and quiz masters keep rotating.Why not give a chance to everyone right.The stalwarts can host a quiz at diff levels ( school only, college only kids etc ) within these sessions at regular intervals.Bring back the charm i say but at the same time ensure quizzing does not decline or by the look of things...DI will soon go the Eddie Hyde way.

rajib said...

The d.i quiz is not ony caught in a time warp but in a culture warp.but if they won't change ,we should stop give it the importance and pride of place and ignore it. Its a fallen tradition and we need to create newer ,better fairer ones.i propose someone from the quizzing fraternity hold a parallel quiz on the day of d.i next yr.we should all support and participate in that quiz.and lets stop this anonymous posting of comments and show some guts for a change.

Anonymous said...

some of the comments have been in bad taste
first of all marge simpson was mentioned as the answer to the question first cartoon character to appear on playboy cover & centrefold.Also in the traf o data question the year was mentioned as 1975 & not 1957.
The acoustics were horrible in the hall & i hope DI fixes this at the earliest.

rajib said...

Oh here come the defenders of the realm.i think the comments were at least in better taste than the quiz and the henchmen helping the qm.

Inspector Clouseau said...

Let us for a moment remember Mr. R.M. Sen in this context. He also goofs up but atleast he is not arrogant and has stolidly marched on singlehandedly without the multitude of support Neil has.
Being impervious to one's sell-by date is a crime both are guilty of but at least Argus is about honest, committed quizzing whereas DI is only about hollow O' Brien chest-thumping.
Disgusting !!

wiki-troll said...

We wrote Marge Simpson and were not given points. Plus the Traf O Data question it was siad 1959. In 1975 Bill Gates would have been 20 so the entire question would have been incorrect. The protectors of the realm seem to be as clueless here as with questions.

Hey Ram said...

DI quizzes have always been uncouth remnants of the British Raj. Though I miss the questions starting with 'In the Raj days..', the legacy continues. Almost like the white mans prerogative. Why don't the QMs at DI take part in other quizzes? It'll be a case of 'Doodh ka doodh aur Paani ka paani'

Anonymous said...

As a matter of fact, the QM's of DI did participate in a quiz. The Starmark Lit Quiz hosted by Jayashree and Shouvik. Barry, Neil and Barry's child did not qualify. While, (guess who?) Anurag, Shreshth and their teammate qualified first and actually won that quiz.
Funny story ain't it?